Bubbles Hargrave is probably the 4th-best catcher in Reds history. I hadn't heard of him. Yes, I'm lame. Image via Wikipedia
At BtB, I've started a series of recaps looking at the most valuable players at each position of all time, as measured by Rally's WAR database. Since I'm a Reds fan, I'm going to do a mirrored series here looking at past Reds greats. It will be a great way to help me learn some Reds history, and has the added bonus of keeping my mind off the current Reds team's woes.Keep in mind a few caveats: the WAR values you see here are only for those seasons (or partial-seasons) players spent with the Reds. Second, WAR is not a perfect measure of value (I think it is the best available stat of its kind). And third, even if WAR was perfect in measuring what it tries to, career WAR value is necessarily the best way to evaluate who is the "best" player (i.e. peak seasons matter just as much as total career value when deciding things like that).
We'll begin the series with a Top-10 list of Reds catchers!
10. Ivey Wingo.
Debut | Seasons | PA | Offense | wOBA | FldRns | Fld/700PA | PosAdj | WAR | WAR/700PA |
1915 | 13 | 3302 | -63 | 0.313 | -5 | -1 | 48 | 7.3 | 1.5 |
9. Smoky Burgess. Reds Hall of Fame.
Debut | Seasons | PA | Offense | wOBA | FldRns | Fld/700PA | PosAdj | WAR | WAR/700PA |
1955 | 4 | 1227 | 22 | 0.356 | 0 | 0 | 13 | 8 | 4.6 |
He is also one of just four catchers to be elected into the Reds Hall of Fame (curiously, Bailey is not one of them). How that happened is somewhat inexplicable to me. Chris Eckes of the Reds passed on a bit of info via Greg in Atlanta on this: Burgess was elected in 1975, his 4th year on the ballot, edging out deadball era one year wonder Cy Seymour by just 800 votes. Apparently, it was just a weak year!
8. Johnny Edwards.
Debut | Seasons | PA | Offense | wOBA | FldRns | Fld/700PA | PosAdj | WAR | WAR/700PA |
1961 | 7 | 2624 | -53 | 0.312 | 4 | 1 | 44 | 8.2 | 2.2 |
7. Ray Mueller.
Debut | Seasons | PA | Offense | wOBA | FldRns | Fld/700PA | PosAdj | WAR | WAR/700PA |
1943 | 6 | 1864 | 2 | 0.336 | 9 | 3 | 16 | 9.2 | 3.5 |
6. Tommy Clarke.
Debut | Seasons | PA | Offense | wOBA | FldRns | Fld/700PA | PosAdj | WAR | WAR/700PA |
1909 | 9 | 1935 | 7 | 0.339 | 5 | 2 | 37 | 10.6 | 3.8 |
5. Heinie Peitz.
Heinie is our only 1800's player in the top-10, and ranks as the 5th-most valuable catcher in Reds' history. He joined the Reds in a trade prior to the 1896 season, and went on to be their starting catcher until he was traded to the Pirates in 1905. Just shy of an average hitter and an apparently competant fielder, he played a lot during his career with the Reds, which is a big part of how he got to this spot on our list. He also played all over the diamond: most of his starts were at catcher, but he played first, second, third, and even pitched on a few occasions
4. Bubbles Hargrave. Reds Hall of Fame
The Reds have had some great names playing the two position: Ivey, Heinie, Smokey, Admiral...but no one can top Bubbles (though it was apparently a rather cruel nickname that referenced his stutter). But he was more than a name--he was an excellent ballplayer. Aside from Burgess, Hargrave is the first clearly above-average hitter on the list. He started behind the plate for 8 seasons following his arrival in 1921. Hargrave won a batting title in 1926, a season in which he posted a .406 OBP. But his best season was in 1923, when he hit 0.333/0.419/0.521, good for 4.6 wins above replacement. He received MVP consideration in three consecutive seasons from 1925-1927, and ended with a career line of 0.314/0.377/0.461 with the Reds.
3. Ed Bailey.
Bailey might not have been the hitter that Hargrave was, Bailey was an excellent fielder. In fact, on a per-PA (or inning played, if you like) basis, Bailey has better fielding numbers than any catcher in the top-25 Reds catcher list. Yes, that includes Johnny Bench. Bailey was also a fine hitter in his own right, with good power (28 HR in 1956) and strong on base skills, posting a career line (or close to it) of 0.261/0.359/0.438 with the Reds. Bailey was a 5-time All Star (4 with the Reds), so he clearly was recognized at the time as among the game' elite. Why isn't he in the Hall of Fame, despite his backup/platoon partner Smokey Burgess's membership? My guess is that it's bias against low-batting average players. More on Bailey below.
2. Ernie Lombardi. Reds Hall of Fame.
When Bubbles Hargrave left the team after the 1928 season, the Reds didn't have to wait long for their next great catcher. Lombardi arrived in 1932 and was heralded as one of the better hitters of his time. He was a two-time batting champion, including the 1938 season in which he was voted league MVP. He also played in seven all-star games and in two world series--the Reds won one of them (over DET in 1940). Lombardi had good power, routinely posting between 10 and 20 home runs each season. And he walked his share, while hitting for excellent average. But while he was an excellent hitter, both Hargrave and Bailey posted better WAR rates. What made Lombardi special is that on top of all of his other accomplishments, he played a ton during his 10 seasons with the Reds, at least by catcher standards. He played at least 107 games every year with the Reds (average=120), and averaged 420 PA's per year during that time. He ended up with almost 1000 more PA's than Ivey Wingo, who received the third-most PA's of a Reds catcher. Lombardi ranks 20th on the all-time list of MLB catchers.
1. Johnny Bench. Baseball Hall of Fame.
Surprise! Bench rates as the best catcher in MLB history, at least based on WAR. Here's what I wrote about him at BtB:
Top-25 Reds Catchers, by WAR
Table is sortable--click on the header by which you wish to sort!
Debut | Seasons | PA | Offense | wOBA | FldRns | Fld/700PA | PosAdj | WAR | WAR/700PA |
1896 | 9 | 2949 | -11 | 0.331 | 18 | 4 | 42 | 14.2 | 3.4 |
4. Bubbles Hargrave. Reds Hall of Fame
Debut | Seasons | PA | Offense | wOBA | FldRns | Fld/700PA | PosAdj | WAR | WAR/700PA |
1921 | 8 | 2605 | 75 | 0.368 | 2 | 1 | 23 | 18 | 4.8 |
3. Ed Bailey.
Debut | Seasons | PA | Offense | wOBA | FldRns | Fld/700PA | PosAdj | WAR | WAR/700PA |
1953 | 9 | 2576 | 24 | 0.346 | 38 | 10 | 38 | 19.4 | 5.3 |
2. Ernie Lombardi. Reds Hall of Fame.
Debut | Seasons | PA | Offense | wOBA | FldRns | Fld/700PA | PosAdj | WAR | WAR/700PA |
1932 | 10 | 4277 | 114 | 0.366 | -16 | -3 | 35 | 27.1 | 4.4 |
1. Johnny Bench. Baseball Hall of Fame.
Debut | Seasons | PA | Offense | wOBA | FldRns | Fld/700PA | PosAdj | WAR | WAR/700PA |
1967 | 17 | 8568 | 253 | 0.369 | 71 | 6 | 98 | 71.3 | 5.8 |
As a Reds fan I'm biased, but I think if you were to ask a large number of fans the name of the best catcher ever, Johnny Bench's name would be at the top of the poll. It's not a slam dunk, but Bench comes out four wins above Fisk--and Bench had 1200 fewer PA's and a much higher peak. Bench was a brilliant defender, but probably not the best defensive catcher of all time. And he was a superb hitter, but is probably not the best hitting catcher of all time. What sets him apart is that he was extremely good at both offense and defense: with game-changing defense and prodigious power, he redefined his position. No other catcher has ever hit 45 home runs in a season, and only one other Mike Piazza) has topped the 40-mark twice. He was Rookie of the Year, a two-time MVP (second only to Berra), a 14-time All Star (13 consecutive), and the winner of 10 consecutive gold gloves. He was the best of the best, and I'm proud that he played for my team...it's nice to be proud of something these days.
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Reds Catcher Timeline
Below is a graph of total WAR from Reds catchers (primary position only) since 1890. The line is a 10-year moving average.
Striking that since Bench retired, the Reds haven't had a long-term, quality catcher. Best year was 2005 with the LaRue/Valentin combo. Catcher is clearly a position at which the Reds have historically been strong, at least going back to Hargrave. Who will be the next great Reds catcher?
WAR Career Trajectory Graph
Bench was obviously the best, but the most interesting thing to me about this graph is the Bailey/Lombardi comparison. Lombardi was much more productive over his full career. But during their best five seasons, Bailey was probably Lombardi's equal. Bailey should be in the Reds Hall of Fame, at least by my judgment.
Top-25 Reds Catchers, by WAR
Table is sortable--click on the header by which you wish to sort!
Rank | Name | Debut | Seasons | PA | Offense | wOBA | FldRns | Fld/700PA | PosAdj | WAR | WAR/700PA |
1 | Bench, Johnny | 1967 | 17 | 8568 | 253 | 0.369 | 71 | 6 | 98 | 71.3 | 5.8 |
2 | Lombardi, Ernie | 1932 | 10 | 4277 | 114 | 0.366 | -16 | -3 | 35 | 27.1 | 4.4 |
3 | Bailey, Ed | 1953 | 9 | 2576 | 24 | 0.346 | 38 | 10 | 38 | 19.4 | 5.3 |
4 | Hargrave, Bubbles | 1921 | 8 | 2605 | 75 | 0.368 | 2 | 1 | 23 | 18 | 4.8 |
5 | Peitz, Heinie | 1896 | 9 | 2949 | -11 | 0.331 | 18 | 4 | 42 | 14.2 | 3.4 |
6 | Clarke, Tommy | 1909 | 9 | 1935 | 7 | 0.339 | 5 | 2 | 37 | 10.6 | 3.8 |
7 | Mueller, Ray | 1943 | 6 | 1864 | 2 | 0.336 | 9 | 3 | 16 | 9.2 | 3.5 |
8 | Edwards, Johnny | 1961 | 7 | 2624 | -53 | 0.312 | 4 | 1 | 44 | 8.2 | 2.2 |
9 | Burgess, Smoky | 1955 | 4 | 1227 | 22 | 0.356 | 0 | 0 | 13 | 8 | 4.6 |
10 | Wingo, Ivey | 1915 | 13 | 3302 | -63 | 0.313 | -5 | -1 | 48 | 7.3 | 1.5 |
11 | Vaughn, Farmer | 1892 | 8 | 2585 | -52 | 0.312 | 9 | 2 | 22 | 6.7 | 1.8 |
12 | LaRue, Jason | 1999 | 8 | 2516 | -59 | 0.308 | 7 | 2 | 42 | 6.2 | 1.7 |
13 | McLean, Larry | 1906 | 7 | 2251 | -47 | 0.311 | 8 | 2 | 36 | 6 | 1.9 |
14 | Seminick, Andy | 1952 | 4 | 1122 | -4 | 0.331 | 5 | 3 | 10 | 5 | 3.1 |
15 | Taubensee, Eddie | 1994 | 7 | 2291 | 7 | 0.339 | -57 | -17 | 31 | 4.8 | 1.5 |
16 | Pavletich, Don | 1957 | 9 | 1206 | 13 | 0.347 | -18 | -10 | 6 | 4.4 | 2.6 |
17 | Schlei, Admiral | 1904 | 5 | 1675 | -33 | 0.312 | 2 | 1 | 27 | 4.2 | 1.8 |
18 | Diaz, Bo | 1985 | 5 | 1672 | -53 | 0.299 | 21 | 9 | 26 | 4.1 | 1.7 |
19 | Oliver, Joe | 1989 | 8 | 2598 | -87 | 0.296 | 10 | 3 | 43 | 3.5 | 0.9 |
20 | Ross, Dave | 2006 | 3 | 795 | -14 | 0.315 | 10 | 9 | 14 | 3.3 | 2.9 |
21 | Lamanno, Ray | 1941 | 5 | 1536 | -40 | 0.305 | 1 | 0 | 13 | 2.6 | 1.2 |
22 | Wood, Bob | 1898 | 3 | 492 | 7 | 0.351 | -3 | -4 | 7 | 2.6 | 3.7 |
23 | Campbell, Gilly | 1935 | 3 | 585 | 2 | 0.339 | -1 | -1 | 5 | 2.4 | 2.9 |
24 | Picinich, Val | 1926 | 3 | 810 | -8 | 0.324 | 0 | 0 | 8 | 2.4 | 2.1 |
25 | Hershberger, Willard | 1938 | 3 | 427 | 2 | 0.34 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 2 | 3.3 |
Next up: First Basemen!
Update (9/15/09): I regret that I mistakenly neglected to include Reds teams prior to 1890 in the above analysis. As a result, some players were mistakenly omitted, though it did not affect rankings among the top-10. Players in the top-25 should have also included Pop Snyder (5 seasons, 6.8 WAR), Deacon White (3 seasons, but 6.2 WAR), and Jim Keenan (7 seasons, 5.7 WAR)
This settles it: I'm getting Sean's WAR database and going to do this same thing. This was incredibly fascinating (and loved your post on it over at BtB a little while ago). It's a great, great way to learn the history of the club, and with the Tigers having such a long history, I need to do this. Fantastic idea, Justin.
ReplyDeleteHave fun! You'll probably finish your series before I even get the next one posted. :)
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Wow great idea, I'm definitely going to do this for the Twins, although I shudder to see at what some of them look like.
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